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Has to be covid to top him off so we can count him as a stat of “covid with comorbidities”.

When asked for a follow up he just replied: “Denny Crane”

“See?! Libs want a dictator too!!!11”

That’s what I mean about the duping. None of that was happening under Biden. These “open borders” allegations are and have always been nonsense.

Do people try to cross illegally? Yes. How do we know? Because they’re caught while trying to do it and sent back — this one fact should put the “open borders” claims to rest, but that’s if we lived in a sane world. And don’t get me started on all the citizen militias patrolling the border and shooting people for sport, because a lot of the border is in red states where leadership turns a blind eye to these types of vigilantes.

Most undocumented immigrants in the US arrive normally on a visa by plane and then overstay their visa. And while some do that on purpose, a lot of the time the expiration happens accidentally due to things out of their control, like because paperwork takes too long and it’s tied to their employer who isn’t moving their ass fast enough, etc. Some are in the process of correcting their undocumented status or even taking their citizenship test when ICE detains them.

The argument here is something you alluded to in the first comment I replied to: an undocumented immigrant merely existing in the US poses no risk to anyone, so maybe deportation isn’t really a measured response to coming across a person with undocumented status, let alone calling them “illegals” and doing all this verbal shell game between “illegal”, “criminal”, “terrorist”, deliberately confusing “insane asylum” with “asylum seekers” etc.

All that rhetoric is meant do dehumanize and paint large groups of people with the same brush: dangerous, disgusting, inhuman. Then the “open borders” lie implies incompetence and naivete on the part of the previous administration (or even sadism if they did it knowingly). This is how we ended up here, and now they’re doing what they wanted to do in the first place: treat them all the same and continue using the verbal shell game when asked about it, saying stuff like “criminals have no right to due process ^(but we decided without due process who the criminals are)”.

You’re right. Harris would have likely won in 2016. Now everyone’s brain is soup from all the mental masturbation caused by the sloppification of media. The tabloids won, in a spiritual sense. Feels like we’re in a death cult, or at least that life is a lot cheaper. All the stable democracies on the verge of electing far right psychos, won’t be long before we start fighting each other like the good ol’ days — and the people will cheer for carnage just to feel something again.

That thing you wanted was already happening under Biden, and before him. How do I know? They didn’t hire new people. They just gave the signal to the existing hires that they can do what they want. They were able to deport criminals before, and they did. Trump just lied when he said they didn’t. During the campaign he duped millions of people into believing a fake problem to which he is now providing a fake solution: no additional criminals are being deported, not really — they’re just doing things more sloppily, being more cruel about it, and padding the numbers with innocent people.

Ok, sending people to an El Salvador concentration camp instead of their home country, that’s certainly new.

Sure, but his brain was soup by 2024. That’s kinda the main reason people are pissed with the Dems, because they hid this until Joe shit the bed for millions to see — during a debate, no less.

Kamala’s campaign was mostly failed by bad advisors: Clinton staffers and James Carville types who hadn’t won an election in 20 years, they were the ones who made them triangulate, not break from Biden on policy, and even move to the “middle” by getting the Cheneys to tour with them. They retreated the “weird” attack and “we’re not going back” slogan, even as people kept using the former online and chanting the latter at rallies.

They ratfucked her campaign about as hard as Trump is now ratfucking the country.

I’m sorry, but this era of old white men has got to stop.

Liz Cheney. It’s her turn.

greed

fear

And especially disgust. They weaponize it so much.

This. This. This. So much this. There’s absolutely value in analyzing the individual level, like the effects of power on people and so on, but goddamn maybe it’s also relevant that all the opportunity (“meritocracy”) ladders that can be climbed to reach power are just different sports in the Psycho Olympics.

I completely agree.

You’re right but I wasn’t going for a “dentist = political party” analogy. More like a “get your teeth taken care of = keep power in check through public pressure” analogy (to be clear, only voting doesn’t count as pressure) .

It’s definitely my point! That’s exactly why I used that analogy :)

We should tend to our teeth, our environment and our political environment as well — and they will, as you say, take care of us. The “cavities” in American politics started waaaay before Trump. Trump is when they reached the nerve. (I hope I said that correctly, ESL here.)

Bullying power in general as well. Progressives have been too soft on liberals too and always let them run the show. But the reality is it’s always harder to rally people when things seem to be going ok and the crisis is muffled rather than blatantly obvious. Kinda how we never go to the dentist when nothing hurts even though we really shouldn’t wait until it does. Anyway, hope something meaningful comes of this resistance because this fascist stage is still a stage of neoliberalism, like that’s where the root cause is.

Your average MAGA supporter thinks that. These guys are literal psychopaths.

Fair enough. In that case, let me amend my prescription:

Whether or not it’s the same project is immaterial — it’s about redundancy of the data, hosting it in multiple countries, in such a way that if one country turns authoritarian and wants to burn it down, they’ll be backed up in 10 other countries. The community as well should be international and redundant in a way that allows for responsibilities to shift if push comes to shove.

Ultimately it’s about not being vulnerable to one country having one bad day.

Unless you intend to host your replacement on the moon.

No, just countries that don’t want to destroy IA/Wikipedia. If there’s none of them left, then we’ll have much bigger problems.

I don’t have “the resistance” in the room with me right now to ask them what they do or don’t know. But you seem to know, since you’re being very critical that they’re not doing the things you want them to do, without saying what they are — so I’m asking you what you personally think they should do rather than what they shouldn’t.

IMO it’s not that blue check equals credibility, but rather it equals that you are who you say you are. This is a good thing particularly when it comes to public figures/officials — not for their sake, mind you, but for the sake of other people who may see a tweet from them. If the checkmark is there, then it’s them. If not, then it’s an impersonator. Right now it’s difficult to tell.

Tl;dr: it doesn’t make what they say real, it just makes them real.

I think people can be proud of their actions while also improving. Not to mention, others might be inspired to follow their lead, people sitting on the fence one nudge away from joining.

But by all means. If you have any suggestions, how about provide them instead of berating people for standing up — especially when you yourself admitted it can be dangerous.

God forbid people feel something when they go to a protest. Don’t be a dick, dude. That person is doing their best. They can’t literally call every American out to action.

And don’t get me wrong, I also respect your right to jerk off at America’s FAFO moment (hey, who hasn’t at least a little?) since a whole bunch of people there need a reality check, the hard way. But a lot of innocent people both in and out America are also suffering and dying because of the recent cuts, so let’s reserve our hatred to those handing out the pain, and let’s encourage fighting back in a constructive way, because I guarantee you nobody anywhere will be safe if this regime finds its footing and achieves long term stability.

Also, it’s this nihilistic low-trust doomer mindset, induced by decades of neoliberalism, that brought this Joker-mode fascism in the first place, because people just gave up fighting for a future and just want to burn everything to the ground and jerkoff to watching others suffer so they can forget about their own misery. We all need to start believing in something good before it’s too late, regardless how “cringe” that might sound to either of us.