I don’t really understand how you can think meat consumption is necessary for health and also be against lab-grown meat. Is there some other way you have in mind to address environmental and ethical concerns? It doesn’t really help to survive today if doing so means extinction later from climate change.
A quick search (meaning I did not dig into it because it’s very hard to read tables on mobile) shows that France has about one third the rate of veganism compared to the global population, and a quarter of the US rate. (I chose the US because they’re the poster child for obesity.) While they may be healthy, they’re still eating meat.
What if I told you beans don’t taste like pork ribs? I love beans, but these things are not substitutes for one another, and insisting they are isn’t going to make anyone become vegan.
This was extremely helpful to read, thank you.
I’ve tried to go vegan I think three times in my life, and vegetarian a few more times than that. I struggle with concrete issues like celiac, but also vague ones like suicidal ideation and digestive issues. And then there’s also the simple economic fact that when certain meats are on sale they’re actually cheaper per gram of protein than beans.
I don’t mean to say that there are those of us who should eat meat and we therefore require a meat industry, just to explain why some of us have trouble. To the contrary, I think my issues have been exacerbated by a world that insists meat is necessary. If being vegan were the standard, I would have a greater variety of options and more affordability, and medical professionals would be both more accepting and more knowledgeable in providing me aid.
e: “Vegan” is actually incorrect here. There are problems with the honey industry, but I don’t think beekeeping is inherently unethical, and I don’t oppose symbiotic forms of animal exploitation. I don’t know what the word for that would be.
It’s not that paying for things is bad. The problem is that good software is vital to digital artists’ income, and both purchasing and learning that software is a substantial investment. When a company sells or otherwise enshittifies their software, the artist is then put in a very hard place. Open-source software is the only way to combat that unfortunately likely scenario. By all means, please pay for that software if you can afford to. Doing so subsidizes usage for less fortunate people who may be able to better their situation as a direct result of your generosity.
How do you explain the vast wealth of free software and entertainment media created by both professionals and hobbyists alike? How do you explain the profitability of games and movies when any of us can pirate a copy with little effort? Why is it possible to sell copies of public domain books when we have libraries?
Why wouldn’t we buy his book? Is it bad?
You’re making this argument via FOSS.
Factory farming exists pretty much everywhere though. If just 50% of people reduced their meat intake to an occasional treat, that would go a long way to reducing suffering, improving sustainability, and increasing the availability and affordability of vegan products. That doesn’t mean that any given individual needs to be vegan, just that encouraging widespread veganism is beneficial to everyone.
I’m sorry if my post came off as “Just eat s bunch of soy beans,” because that isn’t what I meant. Rather, it seems viable to eat a lot of plants and supplement with animal products where needed, especially given that there’s also a pill form.
Also I don’t think the 550mg figure is meant to be a recommended minimum intake, but rather a figure where it’s impossible to be deficient. It’s my understanding that a minimum intake of choline hasn’t been established. From Wikipedia:
Insufficient data is available to establish an estimated average requirement (EAR) for choline, so the Food and Nutrition Board established adequate intakes (AIs). For adults, the AI for choline was set at 550 mg/day for men and 425 mg/day for women. These values have been shown to prevent hepatic alteration in men. However, the study used to derive these values did not evaluate whether less choline would be effective, as researchers only compared a choline-free diet to a diet containing 550 mg of choline per day. From this, the AIs for children and adolescents were extrapolated.
Twelve surveys undertaken in 9 EU countries between 2000 and 2011 estimated choline intake of adults in these countries to be 269–468 milligrams per day. Intake was 269–444 mg/day in adult women and 332–468 mg/day in adult men.
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I also have medical and economic issues that make it unreasonable to be completely vegan, but that doesn’t mean the world shouldn’t shift towards it. Factory farming isn’t a practice needed to help my conditions, and I doubt you benefit from it either. They could probably use humane and sustainable methods to provide plenty of meat/dairy for medical purposes and pet foods.
And besides, according to this chart, soybeans have higher choline content than most meats. Google also says there’s a shitton of trimethylglycine in wheat. And both come in supplement form. (Not sure how they make them though, so maybe not vegan.)
They aren’t though. They’re rectangular at the top and then have cylinders coming out the bottom. I think the heels of his shoes might be square on the bottom.
Making me realize Spongebob isn’t even square.
I think y’all who are upset over the use of “freeware” are out of touch with how language is used in non-expert settings. Like, I’m definitely more tech-savvy than most people and I still didn’t know about “FOSS” as a term until seeing it on Lemmy and looking it up. This just means “free software” to me and doesn’t imply anything negative.
It even says, “the premier free and open source image editing software for multiple platforms” right in the first paragraph, so what’s the issue? Do you think the headline will mislead someone into thinking that GIMP is proprietary?
Can you please censor ess*y in the future so that it’ll be more difficult for me to filter automatically and actually make me way more likely to get triggered? Thanks.
I agree, but that argument doesn’t do anything for people who don’t really care about the animals’ suffering if it means they get to enjoy meat. They understand what they’re doing and have made the informed choice that they’re okay with the arrangement. If you want them to stop torturing animals you’re going to have to find them another way to get meat or you’re going to have to kill them.