• OldManBOMBIN@lemmy.world
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    8 hours ago

    Seems like there’s plenty of entitled wealthy people in this thread. People who don’t understand what it’s like to be systemically pushed down into the mud; what it’s like when all of your choices are either bad or worse.

    “But you can recycle…” Shut the fuck up dude, recycling doesn’t feed my fucking family. Recycling doesn’t replace the years spent in an education system that’s designed to make you a factory worker. Recycling doesn’t bring living-wage-paying jobs to my hometown.

    When the bills are in the mail, the tax man is coming, the landlord’s raising the rent, and the bossman is driving a new car every year but can’t pay you enough to keep your bank account from overdrafting, sometimes you have to do “immoral” shit.

    Sometimes you have to kill an animal with no hunting license, sometimes you have to find a place to stay warm for the night, sometimes you have to feed your kids when all you have is cardboard and that might mean stealing bread from the dollar store.

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      8 hours ago
      warning satire

      Are you sure your not just being lazy? Maybe it was the choices you made that landed you there. It’s not like there is a whole system in place to oppress a certain class of people.

  • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    12 hours ago

    I guess? But it’s also morally just to reuse disposables, repair instead of replace, conserve and reduce waste, and delay new purchases as long as possible. I’m doing environmental conservationism just by being poor!

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      The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money. Take boots, for example. … A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. … But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that’d still be keeping his feet dry in ten years’ time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet. This was the Captain Samuel Vimes ‘Boots’ theory of socio-economic unfairness. (Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms)

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        12 hours ago

        This is what people tell themselves to cope better. There’s nothing good about not being able to afford stuff and juggling between buyin groceries and paying the bills.

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            Wanting to live a non-shitty life is somehow bad? Dounds like someone who’s working for capitalists would say. “Shut up and eat your mac and cheese, it’s your destiny!”

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              No, i have to admit, I’m trying to gauge what people actually believe. I understand morality can’t be summed up into a set of infallible rules and it’s incredibly hard to teach everyone the ethical frameworks necessary to determine true moral justification for any given situation. The argument about personal liberty is just one what everyone has to reckon with and I’m curious if people still come to the same conclusions I always have.

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                Long sentence, zero substance. I’m trying and I can’t sum it up to see what you wanted to tell, in ahort, or how is it connected to previous conversation. I think more and more that you are a politician.

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        12 hours ago

        Righteousness doesn’t put food in my stomach, shoes on my feet, a roof over my head, or solve any of the other problems caused by poverty.